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do you ever ask yourself why do we have

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religion I mean according to the Pew

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Research Center and the Gallup

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Organization about 10% of the people in

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the United States are atheists and an

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even larger number are agnostics about

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27% of according to the same sources

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about 27% of the Chinese population are

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atheists so clearly it's possible to

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live a productive and happy life and be

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an atheist and not believe in anything

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about religion and yet if you look back

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across the course of human history

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across geography across culture across

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time going back to the ancient caves of

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Lascaux or fonta Goom

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you see clearly that there is a deep and

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profound involvement with religion and

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the spiritual and I want to make a

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distinction here at the beginning the

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syllogism might go all religion is

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spiritual but all that is spiritual is

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not necessarily religious and that's an

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important distinction most of the

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discussions that take place about

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religion are arguments about dogmas and

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beliefs and religious is I'm an

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experimentalist I don't have any

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particular religious orientation and so

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when I look at these issues I look at

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them as an experimentalist and so what I

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want to know is is there any objective

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data that supports any of this and

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that's what I want to talk about if you

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look at religions across time and

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geography and culture they seem very

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disparate there are multiple gods there

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are gods there are female gods there are

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great spirits there are all sorts of

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things

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it all seems very diverse

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and yet if you look at a deeper level

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what you discover is there it is a great

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Concilium of the fundamentals that lie

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beneath religion the deeper mystery and

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that in fact there are six fundamentals

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that you see in almost every religion in

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the world they are I'll start with the

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religious services and rituals there is

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the special place that you meet it's a

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church it's a synagogue it's a temple

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it's an etruscan of Grove why is it

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important that there be a special place

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what is special about that is there any

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objective evidence that we can look at

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that can demonstrate either the validity

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or the superficiality of that and the

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answer we find in the experimental

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evidence is that acts of intentioned

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observation produce an effect in the

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informational architecture in non-local

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consciousness that is represented by the

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physical presence of that special place

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we know for instance in remote viewing

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that it is easier to see Chartres

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Cathedral for remote viewers than it is

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a warehouse of the same size why is that

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it's a physically that buildings are

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quite similar and the answer is that

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Chartres Cathedral from the moment of

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its conception has been the focus of

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intentioned awareness by hundreds

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millions of people in a highly emotional

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state often and that this makes that an

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informational enriching process what

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Jung called new manasa T so there's

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always the special place

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then you begin the services by making

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the statement of intention if you're at

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a Christian

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it's the Nicene Creed if you're a Jew

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it's the Shema if you are a practitioner

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of Voodoo it is the invocation of the

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ancestral prayer why does that matter

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and why does it occur again and again

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and again no matter where you look and

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the answer is that it creates a pulling

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together a coherence of intentioned

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awareness now let's just think about

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religion itself if you look at religions

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what you discover is that they all begin

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all the enduring ones and I make a

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distinction between enduring religions

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and cults all the enduring ones begin

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with an individual who has a non-local

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consciousness experience Jesus is

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baptized by John and he goes out into

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the desert and he awakens he meditates

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and awakens Siddhartha Gautama the

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Buddha goes to the hermitage of the Deir

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Kalama and he is taught to meditate and

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he awakens Muhammad goes to the sacred

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cave hira near mecca and he awakens in

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meditation so the commonality of this is

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first of all all religions begin because

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a single individual has a non-local

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consciousness experience their

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experiences are quite different they're

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culturally mediated as just exactly what

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we see in remote viewing research but

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so non-local experience alone is not

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enough it requires something else it

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requires a kind of Concilium that is the

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person speaks and talks about their

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experience or I must add by the way more

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most recently I forgot one of there are

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many of them Joseph Smith goes into the

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sacred grove in Manchester New York and

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has the first vision so at time it

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doesn't matter you can look at this

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across the whole length of human history

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you see the same thing over and over

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again so the person who has the

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experience articulates that experience

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and if they are charismatic enough and

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very importantly if what they say speaks

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to the culture that creates a Concilium

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coherence then that gather people gather

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around so religion is a manifestation of

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collective consciousness that arises

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from the non-local experience of a

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single person and after that people

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write down what they say that's what

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becomes the scripture the scripture

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becomes the dogmas individuals arise who

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have an interest in power and they

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associate themselves with this they

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become the priests hoods or the

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priestess hoods or whatever and all of

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that part is human created but it dates

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back as its origin to this single

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experience of an individual and so when

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you look at religion I think what you

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are looking at is an empirical

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neurobiology that cultures develop

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through cause and effect observation so

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you've gathered in the special place you

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have made the statement of common

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intention which causes brain and

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training then there is a period in which

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there is singing

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dancing or chanting Andrew Newberg tells

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us with his research in neuro theology

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that when this happens all of the brains

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of the people that are involved in the

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process become entrained which creates

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strengthened collective intention

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johanna Seberg no Sadler at the Max

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Planck Institute in Berlin did a similar

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kind of study and found that all of the

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musicians when they play together their

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brains become entrained and it becomes

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so specific that you can look at the EEG

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data and see who is the leader and who

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are the supporting musicians so this is

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a process of bringing together

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collective intention why why does that

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happen why does there always music or

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drumming or chanting or singing and the

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answer is because in that process there

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is the potential for some of the

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individuals in the community to have

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themselves a non-local consciousness

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experience if you're a Christian it's

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speaking in tongues

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it's prophecy it's healing if you're a

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voodoo practitioner in his possession by

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one of the Voodoo gods and this is

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witnessed doesn't always happen but it

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does happen

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enough that the community as a group

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witnessed it often enough that it

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confirms the validity of what they're

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doing and so they are drawn together and

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then there is the recommitment to gather

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again in that sacred place now you can

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take this I only have a few minutes so

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I'm just hitting some of the high points

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actually if you think about religion and

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spirituality

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not from the point of view of a

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practitioner or a devotee or a

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congregant or whatever word is

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appropriate to any particular faith what

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you see is this coming together of this

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empirical neurobiology that is observed

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over time and people then realize if you

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do this then this hat is likely to

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happen and you can get incredibly

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granular with this for instance why do

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water and wine associated with so many

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religions why not tomato juice or orange

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juice or strawberries why water in wine

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and the answer is when you look at the

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experimental data and here I'm speaking

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about an experiment that I carried out

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if you look an in healing for instance

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we had people do healing while they had

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little sealed vials of water on the

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palms of their hands and we put another

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secret little vial which nobody knew

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about in the room where it was happening

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in another building altogether the

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technique was infrared spectrophotometry

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multiple internal reflection we're

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looking at a very particular predicted

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the hypothesis was very specific it was

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not a fishing expedition and what we

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discovered was two things when we

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organized it I thought because like many

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people at that time the idea was the

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longer the healing went on the greater

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the effect so we had a five-minute

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bottle a 10-minute bottle and a

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15-minute bottle and the presumption was

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that the 10-minute bottle would be

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better than the 5 and that 15 would be

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better than the 10 sorry didn't happen

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there was no difference that

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statistically significant it was within

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error bars of the 5 10 and 15 minute

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baubles but the bottles did in fact that

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were on the palms of the hands of the

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healers who did everything from

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channeling space people to

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fundamentalist Christian healing the

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bottles that were on the palms of their

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hands did in fact show a very particular

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change in the structure of the water a

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physically objectable objective

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measurement had to do with the bonding

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relationship between the molecules of

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the water so it's a physical measurement

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but you can get deeper than that for

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instance why oh well I do want to say

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one other thing if you look at all of

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the ceremonies that are in all of the

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religions about water what you find is

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what changes the water is the cola is

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the intention backed by the collective

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intention of the community to focus on

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representative of the divine the priest

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blesses the water you have holy water

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what makes it holy well it's usually

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discussed in the psychological or

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sociological or anthropological that are

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literature as a faith issue but in fact

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as this experiment showed there is an

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actual change in the structure of the

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water but you can go deeper than that

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let's take wine why does wine appear in

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all of these services is oh I've really

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got to move very quickly then there's

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that the thing that I'm sorting out as

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I'm going along here is there is I want

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to really live leave you with the idea

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there is a lot of objective experimental

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non it has nothing to do with religion

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it has nothing to do with the belief of

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our mentor there is a lot of objective

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information that is telling us that this

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process that is going on let me deal

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with wine very quickly because wine has

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always had a psychoactive aspect

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everybody from the beginning knows about

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wine wine appears in about 7000 BCE in

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China in the in the yellow valley area

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and but it appears over and over

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Dionysius and wine I mean just goes on

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and on and on so I did a wine experiment

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that is I took a bottle of a 750

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milliliter bottle of wine I split it

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into two three hundred and seventy-five

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milliliter bottles and I gave these

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bottles I took one of the bottles to a

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group of meditators I asked him to focus

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on it for twenty minutes and and just

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without telling them anything about it

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just would you please focus good

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intentions on this wine I then went to

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over a period of four years over and

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over again I went to friends and I would

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say to them I'm going to make a big wine

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buy and I'm down to two wines and

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because it's so much money would you do

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a taste test for me get seven people to

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do the taste test and ask them which one

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they prefer before I make this big buy

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in fact it's the same wine bought in a

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wine shop and over and over and over and

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over and over again the wine that was

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the target of intentioned observation

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was chosen as the better wine an

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aesthetic judgment a subjective

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aesthetic judgment Dean Radin carried

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out a series of experiments that in

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which he had Buddhist monks focus on

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some chocolate control chocolate treated

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chocolate he then asked people to eat

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the chocolate and to report changes in

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mood

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aesthetic subjective judgment so it's

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not just the objective change but

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there's something going on that changes

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the way people react to this he then did

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this again with along T same kind of

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thing and found that there was a

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difference but it goes deeper than that

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Rupert Sheldrake came up with the idea

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of morphic Jenna

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morphic field and he had organized an

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experiment in which people learned

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Japanese Japanese nursery rhyme there

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was a real rhyme and a fake rhyme and

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the question was which could be learned

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easier and the rhyme that was the real

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rhyme was learned easier than the fake

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rhyme Gary Schwartz took no kin took

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Hebrew letters and he had created real

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words and fake words and he also

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measured the the age of the words new

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Japanese Hebrew words old hebrew words

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and found that the older the word was

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the more likely it was to be seen it

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would be chosen over the less new and

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then over the fake words and this goes

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on and on Arden mal Berg took Morris

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code and created real Morris code and

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fake Morris code and he went to people

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who knew nothing about Morris code and

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he asked them to which one they felt

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better about they chose the real ones so

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literally the scriptures in the letters

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in which scripture is written and the

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acts of intentioned observation over and

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over so I have to conclude because

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otherwise York is going to drag me off

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with a hook and say this to you this

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research which I've been doing now for

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I've been M&E I've been an

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experimentalist about 60 years if you

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look at this research carefully

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done by dozens of researchers across

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dozens of laboratories what you come

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away with is that max plunk is right in

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1931 he was interviewed by The Observer

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newspaper and they said to him you and

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Einstein are the most famous men in the

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world what have you learned I don't know

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what they thought he was going to say

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but what he said was what I've learned

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is that consciousness is causal and

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fundamental you cannot get behind

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consciousness I know I can see you York

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you cannot get behind consciousness what

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we are dealing with is an information

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not an energy but an information

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phenomena at its most fundamental base

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that is manipulated through intentioned

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conscious awareness and that the when

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you want to experience the non-local

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aspect of consciousness you must develop

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the discipline that's why meditation

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appears in dojos in the Japan in

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Buddhist monasteries in Tibet in

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Christian nunneries in France the

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technique of opening to non-local

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consciousness is the result of

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intentioned focused awareness and the

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we do have a few minutes for questions

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but I would like to use the privilege of

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the mic for a moment to simply comment

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ah as a practicing Wiccan I had I note

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that what Stephen Schwartz has just told

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us about invoking non-local

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consciousness is almost word-for-word

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what many of my teachers have told me

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about how to work ritual to invoke

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spiritual power thank you for that talk

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I once heard you very eloquently on

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coast to coast am debunk the so called

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muscle pump test that you see everywhere

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in New Age circles and I've seen it even

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used as a demonstration an SSE and I

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tried to persuade it as an English major

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of the scientists how this is if there's

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any validity to double-blind this is

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like the opposite this is the most

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valuable test you could possibly have so

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I'm wondering if you could repeat any of

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that but also is there any form of

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dowsing or any form of technology

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wouldn't be scientific but that would

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unlike the muscle pump test help

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somebody

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she augment their intuition to choose

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between choices or to discover what's

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the right medicine and that kind of

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thing okay very quickly you got to do

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this really quickly I feel like I'm

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running to the subway or something

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the test that what he's talking about is

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I did another study because a friend of

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mine asked me what do you know about

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muscle test applied kinesiology as it's

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called and I didn't really know anything

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about it I'd seen it done I've you know

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whatever so I did a test and it's a

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public the paper it's published and

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explore you can go up on academia.edu or

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ResearchGate

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get all my papers just search on my name

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and this papers there so I won't go into

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much but I will say that we did this

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test under extremely rigorous

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double-blind conditions and it failed

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it's the only experiment I've ever done

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that failed it didn't work and so I have

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to tell you do not make major on the

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basis of that I would not make a major

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health to say

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on applied kinesiology however I would

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observe that this is a generality and

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that certain individuals use the ritual

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of applied kinesiology to open

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themselves to non-local consciousness

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and that it may work for them personally

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okay now what was the other thing you

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asked me there are any number of things

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that will work that's the point it

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doesn't matter what the ritual is all

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that is required is that the ritual

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allows you to attain and sustain

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intentioned focused awareness there is

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no signal I did another experiment in a

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submarine to see if if any of this was

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electromagnetic it's not that's a whole

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other story what we're dealing with is

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that we are beings of consciousness and

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that most of the time we our minds are

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overwhelmed by the sensorial input and

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chatter that goes on as a result of the

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sensorial input our neuroanatomy is

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driving us because we're being bombarded

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by sensations and that what it's the key

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whatever your ritual is is that you

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meditation is the general one about

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doesn't matter what kind of meditation

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is that you quiet yourself through

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holding sustain attaining and sustaining

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intentioned focused awareness so it

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doesn't matter what matters is that you

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practice it enough that it allows you to

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do that dowsing is a form of ritualized

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remote non-local perception yes I'm

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gonna go the other direction Stephen

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first off I wish I'd have known about

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your stuff your work before I did my PhD

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we blessed wine and then measured intent

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it's not it's not working

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okay that better I wish I'd have known

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about your work when I was doing my PhD

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we blessed wine and measured it with gdv

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to measure and Kent

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you said you measured the water with

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something but you went really fast and

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as you can get it yes what did you use

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to measure it and how did you know that

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you set up the molecules a particular

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way or is it oh I used we used infrared

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spectrophotometry I always believe I

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know lots of people here feel very

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tentative about going to people I

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believe and my experience is go to first

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tier people they got to be first tier

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people because some time in their lives

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they open to non-local consciousness and

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had the insight whether it was cool cos

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benzene ring or whether it was Jonas

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Salk's dream or whether it's de cartes

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three dreams in ohm in 1619 whatever

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that you open to this part of yourself

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and if you go to first tier people which

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is what I have done all my life they

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rarely turn you down I went to the head

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of the DuPont infrared spectrophotometry

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laboratory and we used multiple internal

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reflection using a solenoid cell if you

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will done this you get it you can find

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the paper at academia.edu yes okay

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although what you say about the

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informational power of the structured

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formal place of worship makes perfect

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sense

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having said that we looked at

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religiosity and spirituality in

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Alzheimer's disease and look to see what

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would slow the decline and what would

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slow the progression and we found that

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it was private religious practices

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outside of a structured place and

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spirituality but going to a place of

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worship didn't work oh yes I didn't say

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you had to go to the place what I said

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was this is an empirical neurobiology

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and that if you are if you come

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to recognize that this special place and

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you believe that it makes a difference

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but it's entirely possible to develop a

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practice in your own life and in fact

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there are countless stories of people

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who we think of as Saints or or

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beatified people who do exactly that

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they go into seclusion someplace and

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they practice this and they change their

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health yeah but the point is that going

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to those places didn't actually work

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it was others wealth no I would say to

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you that I don't know the places you

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picked I don't know how long you spent

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there I mean you'd have to sweet have to

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sit down and do the protocol okay